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ryph
03-20-2008, 06:54 PM
DON'T PANIC!

this was a PLANNED take down, and WILL NOT LAST. if you sold in a panic these past 2 days, shame on you. please understand rising commodities are the bankers worst enemy, so these take downs are to be expected.

for those that know a bit of financial workings
(warning: a lot of words incoming. skip if you dont care)

this is pretty much that went down: weekend bear sterns well belly up, literally was bought by JPmorgan for less than their nyc building is worth. Fed opened up a new loan facility that takes in mortgage paper (worthless!) from investments banks. this is usually reserved for commercial banks. this is highly inflationary. money from helicopters any1? not one, but TWO investment banks went to the window. gold initially RALLIED, and HARD in hong kong trading overnight, but in come ny and it gets bombed. (oh credit crisis is suddenly over, nothing to see here folks)
come tuesday, 2:15pm, 75bp rate cut. more gold bombing, along with the entire commodity complex! it was touted that the missing quarter percent is the Fed being hawkish on inflation, OH REALLY? thats a good one considering real interest rates are now negative and they opened up a new loan facility. boom, they went to work, targeting stops.. triggering margin calls and black box selling, which feeds on itself to cause more selling. in my opinion, they failed in one respect. they wanted to steer money away from commodity complex back into the general markets, especially bonds. whoops, one mistake.. hedge funds are are extremely long gold and grains. they tanked those, and then the funds began liquidating the general equities as well. everything was red across the board that tues.
tues evening: mainstream media cites recessionary fears is bursting the commodity 'bubble' and the trade is over. fair, everything is tanking, including equities.
wed: markets rally hard, (thanks PPT!) but yet commodities red across the board again! this time they were prepared, and sent in the order to increase margins for hedge funds because of 'increased volatility'. welp, thatll create more selling in the commodity complex.

ALSO, hong kong and the rest of the east is on vacation for their equivalent of easter. the vernal equinox or something. so trading was very THIN these past few days. very convenient to keep hammering gold down after hours with nobody else there to bid against you!

(ok skip to here, or if you read that nice:] )

in wrap up, these markets are such a rigged JOKE! welp, might as well profit! with the commodity complex hammered, the Fed now has the cover to go ahead in his rate cutting and bailing out campaign without annoying people questioning his printing press tactics.

i was 90% in cash in regards to my gold/silver and oil shares (i KNEW this was coming.. ask brand0n, rmk or even meca. i have been saying theyll attack gold and SOON - was even debating of putting in a short on gold), but i was pretty heavy in my agriculture trades, which, go figure, got hit the hardest.

anyway, this right here, right now, is a buying opportunity of a lifetime. i went on a giant buying spree these past 2 days snatching up oil, gold, more agriculture and anything tangible under the sun. if another day or 2 of selling happens, so be it.

ryph
03-20-2008, 06:59 PM
also.. read these small tidbits going on in the TANGIBLE cash money market:

Silver Shortage: 19 dealers reported "Sold Out"
http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1205995646.php

You know me, I don't send out two emails in one day, so this must be important.
Since my email earlier tonight, where I reported that 5-6 major silver dealers
(Amark, Tulving, 2 in Vancouver, my local dealer, NWT Mint) are "out of inventory",
13 more reports came in, saying that the dealers were out of silver inventory.
Some of these names are big names in the business, Scotia bank, the Perth Mint
in Australia, CNI Numismatics in LA, APMEX says they have some items, but are
looking to buy.

Now think: How can the silver price drop by nearly $2/oz., when all these reports
come in saying that the dealers are sold out, or nearly out, of physical silver?
This is the clearest evidence of paper short selling manipulation that I've ever
seen since I started watching the silver market back in 1999, and I've seen a lot
of evidence!

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An email from APMEX this morning (3-20-08)

Dear Tom,

Due to the OVERWHELMING demand for precious metals, our online ordering system has
been unable to keep up with our customers’ needs. We have had to disable the APMEX
ordering system to allow us ample time to upgrade our site to accommodate the increased
demand.

=========================================

via www.lemetropolecafe.com

"Essentially we had an industry wide margin call on hedge funds who were long precious
metal contracts on COMEX. This is similar, although not as extreme as what was done to
the Hunt Bros back in 1980 to collapse their silver position."

Confused?

You shouldn’t be. This has not occurred by accident.

This sucking-and-blowing action bears the un-mistakable finger prints of the Plunge Protection Team.

Anecdotally, a very good friend tried to purchase physical silver this morning
[multi thousand ounces] from one of Canada’s larges bullion dealers – He was told
by the dealer that he has never seen such a disconnect between futures price and
the physical market in his life. As the price of "paper" silver has been butchered
over the past couple of days – customers trying to buy physical have surfaced en masse
and traditional sources of supply have dried up.

What these clowns are really doing is they are destroying the integrity [the little there
is left] of the futures markets as a price-discovery-mechanism and soon – metals markets
will be cash-and-carry only.

This massacre will be shorter lived than most people imagine.
Best,
Rob Kirby

ryph
03-20-2008, 06:59 PM
lol words
money lol

meca
03-20-2008, 07:05 PM
cliffs: ryph dumped that pig on all you suckers - thnx for buying

zig
03-20-2008, 07:06 PM
GOD DAMN YOU... I LOST MY HOUSE AND CAR BECAUSE OF THAT!!@!@!@

had to sell the kids too.





























































j/k gimme gold fucker :)

musicnerdanimals
03-20-2008, 07:22 PM
i just wanna know where da gold

rpliving
03-20-2008, 11:35 PM
my girlfriend was pissed till i dumped her

ChewY
03-21-2008, 12:36 AM
Reagan Economics and the min wage increse is my 2 cents.

makeshift
03-21-2008, 12:55 AM
yeah what do you think will end up happening to bear stearns?...I've been following it closely, I think the deal will go through from what i've read...sucks ass for that guy that had 1.2 bil invested...it will be interesting to see what happens though.

something random
03-21-2008, 02:07 AM
i got about 2k+ around my neck but ive never looked into actually investing in this shit.

thx for infoz buddy

brand0n
03-21-2008, 05:54 PM
what he is saying is this

if you bought any gold, and feel that the bottom is dropping out. please respond.

we are offering a bail out.

ryph
03-21-2008, 08:04 PM
http://www.wave2capital.com/goldprice/kitco_warning.jpg
http://www.wave2capital.com/goldprice/kitco_outstock.jpg

does that ss make anybody think gold is going down from here with demand like THIS?!
brb selling my soul to get more cash in gold

ryph
03-21-2008, 08:09 PM
http://www.wave2capital.com/goldprice/bullion_direct.jpg

citrus
03-22-2008, 03:11 PM
http://www.wave2capital.com/goldprice/bullion_direct.jpg

ryph... i asked similar questions here a while ago and was basically told that there's not much i could do, but... here it goes again:

i don't have very much money to invest (~$5,000). i was basically told i couldn't make any money with this amount without considerable skill and some risk and that i should focus on just holding onto its value. i don't know shit about investing and trading, unfortunately... i don't really know where to start.

when you're buying and selling gold, are you making money across the span of years, or are you able to reap some killings in short term transactions? how do you go about selling your gold to other investors with a quick turn time to cash in on short spikes, or do you do that at all?

please no lols. haha.

would you recommend dumping my savings into gold and just hanging onto it for a couple years?

makeshift
03-22-2008, 04:36 PM
ryph is this you..lol E-9y0SQQbw8

ryph
03-22-2008, 04:59 PM
citrus, you dont need to buy physical. you can get an investment account and buy GLD. theres also DGP, which tracks the gold price 2x. you can also buy gold miner shares, especially junior gold miners, as i believe they are literally set to explode.

and LOL makeshift, thats not me. im not burying a few k worth of gold or silver. granted, i AM expecting some sort of instability to come into play 2010/11.. but my goal as an investor is not to protect my life savings in a hole so that i can eat.. but rather to become very fucking wealthy.

Omnis
03-23-2008, 02:33 PM
What should we do with platinums (rhodium, pala etc.)?

ryph
03-23-2008, 04:35 PM
What should we do with platinums (rhodium, pala etc.)?

you can mess with it, its tangible and as the dollar tanks it should head up in dollar terms. i prefer to stick to gold strictly because it is a currency. also i play around in the crude and agriculture markets only because their demand is so inelastic and fundamentally (imo) have a LOT higher to go from here.

ytcracker
03-23-2008, 06:13 PM
i actually bought more gold when it dropped

ytcracker
03-23-2008, 06:14 PM
whoa looks like it dropped more

so buying more

ytcracker
03-23-2008, 06:15 PM
i got in when strike was like 750 though so im good anyway

im not even cost averaging

emo porn
03-23-2008, 08:22 PM
ryph is this you..lol E-9y0SQQbw8

smart guy

iceman20
03-23-2008, 09:52 PM
I bought silver in 1991 at $4.25. I sold a bunch the other day at $20.