Mailing

[EscobarStatus]

Let's say I wanted to go about learning how to do mailing... (hypothetically speaking)
What would the steps be?

Hypothetically speaking of course. ;]

[pewep]

My first step would be coming up with 2-3k because it's not a kid's game.

[linx]

Depends on what your plan is, whitehat or blackhat

[EscobarStatus]

Most def blackhat.. what would the 2-3k be going into?

[linx]

You'll need proxies, data, internal accounts (if you plan on using Mailerking) which is what i use, mostly everyone i know does 2-3k is a good start

[mr. spider]

yo linx, what networks would you recommend?

[linx]

What are you looking to mail?

[Moony]

White hat pays so much better. It costs a lot more to get into, but since switching to white hat, you will never see me do anything except CAN-Spam compliant emailing from this point forward.

[EscobarStatus]

White hat pays so much better. It costs a lot more to get into, but since switching to white hat, you will never see me do anything except CAN-Spam compliant emailing from this point forward.

You gotta start somewhere right?

[Audio]

You dont need to start in blackhat to go whitehat lol

[pewep]

I'm doing mostly wh mailing right now (everything except data).

[bonk]

i got 2-3k or more any links to the decent mailers/databrokers(dont know if thats the correct term lol)/networks that are cool with spam,
cheers

[clipper]

My first step would be coming up with 2-3k because it's not a kid's game.

I just started creepin inboxs again, thankfully i had a friend with a good mailer tho, which probably saved me 500 bucks up front. but id say $1000 tops to get started... as long as your not a dumbass, you have some friends in low places and you are motivated. i got started for way less than that but im only doin 500k-2mil per day to keep off the radar. Plus using opt-in lists to keep it on the white hat side of things for now. I had 5 mil+ emails sitting around in .txt files, so i finally did somethin with them.

[EscobarStatus]

I just started creepin inboxs again, thankfully i had a friend with a good mailer tho, which probably saved me 500 bucks up front. but id say $1000 tops to get started... as long as your not a dumbass, you have some friends in low places and you are motivated. i got started for way less than that but im only doin 500k-2mil per day to keep off the radar. Plus using opt-in lists to keep it on the white hat side of things for now. I had 5 mil+ emails sitting around in .txt files, so i finally did somethin with them.

This is definitely gonna be my next venture. Once craig lets me post something, pay some dues, and save alil money. I mos def wanna get into this.

Is it alot of "busy" work? Boring as fuck Im guessing. But anything beats CL posting. haha.

[clipper]

anything beats CL posting.

[MariahLinda99]

IT shows that you are got to start some thing, Yeah?

[Hilarious]

I did not understand your question that in what perspective are you asking? Mailing is simple by creating an account in the website that you like the most... And I am sure you would be knowing about the popular ones...!!

[mr. spider]

What are you looking to mail?

Anything,easy,for a starter in the game.

[djmollusk]

Keep it white hat. Don't holla at people unless they holla'd at you first.

[EscobarStatus]

Whats the initial capital difference between wh and bh?

[Moony]

I'm doing mostly wh mailing right now (everything except data).

There is no mostly wh. You would be doing greyhat at best with what you described. What are you mailing with? If you're using generated accounts or anything that's not legit SMTP delivery, then you're no where close to wh.

[EscobarStatus]

There is no mostly wh. You would be doing greyhat at best with what you described. What are you mailing with? If you're using generated accounts or anything that's not legit SMTP delivery, then you're no where close to wh.

O_o can i just come over your house and learn? lmao

[EscobarStatus]

There is no mostly wh. You would be doing greyhat at best with what you described. What are you mailing with? If you're using generated accounts or anything that's not legit SMTP delivery, then you're no where close to wh.

kidddddddddddddddding. I know people on here are very "conservative" lol

[reefer]

man this is making me wanna get back into mailing.

too bad i'm broke. :(

[enerbrat]

so what your saying is if i seo and get thousands of emails that are opt in and mail from that same domain with the mailer i already have, wh mailing can be free for me?

[tm]

lol @ white hat anything

blackhat money baby!

[centipede]

when you guys mean "whitehat" do you mean being can-spam complaint, yet scrapping your data. So like having a link to get off mailing lists and such? Or all the way compliant and mailing opted in only?

[bonk]

who's good for proxies/ accounts. i added cptproxy but he hasnt accepted

[tm]

when you guys mean "whitehat" do you mean being can-spam complaint, yet scrapping your data. So like having a link to get off mailing lists and such? Or all the way compliant and mailing opted in only?

whitehat would be complete compliance with all local, state, and federal laws.

[Moony]

when you guys mean "whitehat" do you mean being can-spam complaint, yet scrapping your data. So like having a link to get off mailing lists and such? Or all the way compliant and mailing opted in only?

Scraping data violates CAN-Spam. The data is what makes white hat mailing so much more expensive than black hat. But hey, takes money to make money.

[Sir Jones]

violate all laws, who cares if you broke the law if you are making good money you can afford a good lawyer

[Synja]

violate all laws, who cares if you broke the law if you are making good money you can afford a good lawyer

Problem is, you get termed before you get paid.

It's in most network's best interest... they get fully paid, and they look responsible.

If you're blatantly breaking the law, lawyers aren't much use other than negotiating settlements and lower sentences.

[Sir Jones]

You can easily blatantly break the law and get paid for it. Also if you are making big money just move around or leave the US.

[Synja]

You can easily blatantly break the law and get paid for it. Also if you are making big money just move around or leave the US.

Which changes the legal issues.

CAN-SPAM only applies to US businesses AFAIK. If you're running pharma stuff through Russia or the Netherlands.... I don't think AOL can sue you.

I'm not a lawyer.... and I'm certainly not familiar with mailing laws in foreign countries.

[eMob]

There is no mostly wh. You would be doing greyhat at best with what you described. What are you mailing with? If you're using generated accounts or anything that's not legit SMTP delivery, then you're no where close to wh.

co-signs

[EXEcuter]

why not just head over to a highly visited public place in your area, setup a booth/stand, to promote a winning popular offer or item (be creative) or promote something small that people will give you their email/name. collect all of this info, head back home to your lab, and start mailing out your network offers (try to stay with that niche/offer to what you were promoting outside), for best results, mail out manually+proxies so that you make sure you hit inbox. <- important.

All this is totally free, no buying top notch mailers etc.. no host needed! even if you don't convert, best thing is you get fresh unique emails that you can sell, and still make $ regardless.

Method is prolly old or used, but I never seen it posted, and I just came up with it.. (i have ideas out the ass, im creative when it comes to things, only thing is i dont have the tools or resources to push them, if you wanna JV hit me up) I might test it out soon...

[EscobarStatus]

hypothetically speaking.. if i get an investment to start of about 2-3k, whats a good hypothetical time frame to pay them back?
And how guaranteeing do u think it wud be? If the hypothetical person is willing to bust his ass day and night no sleep?

[EscobarStatus]

hypothetically speaking.. if i get an investment to start of about 2-3k, whats a good hypothetical time frame to pay them back?
And how guaranteeing do u think it wud be? If the hypothetical person is willing to bust his ass day and night no sleep?

2k = 3200 roi
3k = 4150 roi

[headiez]

And how guaranteeing do u think it wud be?

since you don't know what you are doing, slim.

youve said that you have thrown money at shit in the past and failed what makes you think this time would be different?

I think you are under the impression that if you throw more money at something you have a better chance of it working out. in your case it doesn't work that way.

you are clearly looking for quick money and that isnt gonna happen.

if you spent the last month doing seo on your little tanning site you would probably be making a some money now. Instead you keep asking for help and trying to dream up ways to make money quick.

you need to get real.

ill say it again. download some fucking ebooks and READ. then when you get tired, READ AGAIN. go on SEO forums and READ. fuck, ill even send you the good seo ebooks for free if you stop asking dumb questions.

your posts are all over the place. one day you post and say you don't have enough money to buy your mom a present then the next day you ask how legit a clothing website is. a week later you ask how quick you could earn back your money if you were able to get your hands on 3k.

[EscobarStatus]

well i wouldnt ask an investor for money to buy my mommy a gift. 1
clothing site was out of curiosity , cause ive never bought clothes online. 2
as for throwing money, yeahh ive spent alot of money ive got over the years trying
to start things up, as it turned out, things went sour one way or another, and didnt work
out... nothing i can do, from those failures ive learned what i needed to learn from
them and moved on. 3

Am i suppose to stop investing & just learn SEO? Im not gonna do that, not saying its
not great to learn the basics.

[headiez]

Am i suppose to stop investing & just learn SEO?

yes. because what you are doing isnt investing, it is throwing money in the trash. you need to read and learn. if you wanna spend money on something, spend it on learning shit, not desperately buying shit.

and it is dumb in 50 different ways to ask someone to loan you money for something that you know nothing about when in the past it has only led to failure.

you are incorrectly assuming that throwing money at things will lead to success. this isn't true unless you have the knowledge.

[Sir Jones]

Throw money at me big boy and I'll get you what you need. Or throw money in a operation and I'll set it all up and get it all going and we can jv or figure something out. I have lots of experience with being a professional at computers, you can even ask ytcracker he tried hiring me one time.

[EscobarStatus]

im not looking to throw money at anyone.

[centipede]

why not just head over to a highly visited public place in your area, setup a booth/stand, to promote a winning popular offer or item (be creative) or promote something small that people will give you their email/name. collect all of this info, head back home to your lab, and start mailing out your network offers (try to stay with that niche/offer to what you were promoting outside), for best results, mail out manually+proxies so that you make sure you hit inbox. <- important.

All this is totally free, no buying top notch mailers etc.. no host needed! even if you don't convert, best thing is you get fresh unique emails that you can sell, and still make $ regardless.

Method is prolly old or used, but I never seen it posted, and I just came up with it.. (i have ideas out the ass, im creative when it comes to things, only thing is i dont have the tools or resources to push them, if you wanna JV hit me up) I might test it out soon...

i'm pretty sure proxies are against can-spam too.

if you want to go wh just setup some vps's and get a c-block

[inbox]

i'm pretty sure proxies are against can-spam too.

if you want to go wh just setup some vps's and get a c-block

Look at my signature

[inboxpartners]

My first step would be coming up with 2-3k because it's not a kid's game.

More like 20k power mta for example is $14k for a years license and that doesn't include monthly server cost or integration.

Mailing and INBOXING major isp is almost like rocket science and takes lots of time to warm up ips get whitelisted etc.