Getting sued for showing Boxing fight at resturant

[coldfire]

What do you think? My buddy opened up a restaurant a couple years ago and it hasn't been doing good at all. He shows the Cotto vs Margarito fight at his restaurant without a commercial license, to generate a little extra money (Not even to cover the costs if he bought commercial rights for the fight).

He received letter about showing the boxing fight. It says that he has 10 days to contact the law office, and if not they are going to try and sue for $100,000. My friend is broke out of his mind, especially after his failed business.

The law office is "law office of Thomas P Riley" and who is representing J & J Sports Productions, Inc.

I did some internet research and it turns out that most likley someone took pictures of the restaurant with the fight on and submitted to the law office for $250 or so. ( source: http://www.pimall.com/nais/nl/n.cablepiracy.html)

Let me know what you guys think, at first I told him to just ignore it because that is usually what I hear for websites but is this any different?

[coldfire]

Here is a copy of the letter:

[Crazy]

Not much to think. Your buddy is probably in some shit and he'd probably be better off complying. Unless he has nothing to lose. In any case, he should have his restaurant treated for rat infestation.

[worldismine]

So my local buffalo wildwings pays a commercial fee on all their events? Shit nigger, thats a lot of money.

[Crazy]

So my local buffalo wildwings pays a commercial fee on all their events? Shit nigger, thats a lot of money.

Maybe not. Turn informant and bank that Snitch Fee.

[Crazy]

Eat the cheese.

[NetProfits]

worldismine i pmd u pal get back to me

[daggy diamonds]

i didn't really read the letter but that's a c&d right? tell him not to respond, if they keep bothering him then talk to a lawyer.

if that firm works for hbo (that fight was on hbo right?) you may have a problem on your hands..

[Mysterio]

i didn't really read the letter but that's a c&d right? tell him not to respond, if they keep bothering him then talk to a lawyer.

if that firm works for hbo (that fight was on hbo right?) you may have a problem on your hands..

It's not a C&D it's a letter letting him know he's being sued and they're contacting him to reach an out of court if possible settlement. Showing boxing matches is no joke especially in a business. You have to pay for that shit or they fuck you. Your buddies screwed.

[Mysterio]

So my local buffalo wildwings pays a commercial fee on all their events? Shit nigger, thats a lot of money.

If they're broadcasting a PPV style boxing match they do. If it costs $20 for a single household to view it why can a business pay $20, let 500 people see it and make bank but the boxing company gets no more money?

[headiez]

he needs to hit up a lawyer asap. be sure to have him tell the lawyer his financial situation. If they won't settle for anything less than what would bankrupt him, hell prob theaten to dodo a strategic chapter 7/11 and they might just give up on u

if he doesnt personally know a good lawyer, do your research first, dont just pick one out of the yellow pages. go to avvo.com, Post the pic of the letter there for some immediate opinions from people who actually know this shit, then start looking thru some lawyer reviews and find a decent one .

[oDb]

he needs to hit up a lawyer asap. be sure to have him tell the lawyer his financial situation. If they won't settle for anything less than what would bankrupt him, hell prob theaten to dodo a strategic chapter 7/11 and they might just give up on u

if he doesnt personally know a good lawyer, do your research first, dont just pick one out of the yellow pages. go to avvo.com, Post the pic of the letter there for some immediate opinions from people who actually know this shit, then start looking thru some lawyer reviews and find a decent one .

smart dg advise

[triplesix]

he needs to hit up a lawyer asap. be sure to have him tell the lawyer his financial situation. If they won't settle for anything less than what would bankrupt him, hell prob theaten to dodo a strategic chapter 7/11 and they might just give up on u

if he doesnt personally know a good lawyer, do your research first, dont just pick one out of the yellow pages. go to avvo.com, Post the pic of the letter there for some immediate opinions from people who actually know this shit, then start looking thru some lawyer reviews and find a decent one .

Was going to pretty much post this exact same thing. This happened to a small local pub that I used to frequent in my area about 7 months ago - this is probably the best advice you'll come across. Best of luck to your friend my man, if at all possible keep us posted on what goes down with your boy. Never really got this side of the law seeing as they obviously paid for the PPV, fucking gay.

Also, someone bar'd up throw a rep to headiez for me if possible

[jerk]

You are gonna wanna settle. Chances are they are gonna be down to settle for 2-3x what the rights would have cost. Lawyer is gonna run ya 10 stacks.

Your buddy had no business opening a restaurant with the little sense he seems to have.

[worldismine]

Your buddy had no business opening a restaurant with the little sense he seems to have.

you're a jerk

[Mysterio]

you're a jerk

It's true though. Things like that are common sense in regards to opening a business.

[coldfire]

Thanks for the advice, I told him it was no joke and to get a lawyer. He said that he didn't have money for a lawyer, and he want to just call them up himself and tell them about his financial situation.

I recommended to get advice from someone on avvo.com, before he did something like that.

I'll try and keep up to date and let y'all know what happens.

[2fast]

Thanks for the advice, I told him it was no joke and to get a lawyer. He said that he didn't have money for a lawyer, and he want to just call them up himself and tell them about his financial situation.

I recommended to get advice from someone on avvo.com, before he did something like that.

I'll try and keep up to date and let y'all know what happens.

how can they prove this? If it was an eye witness I am willing to bet it was an illegal bookmaker that sent the tip in and he aint showing up to court.

[hardcore]

it was an illegal bookmaker that sent the tip in and he aint showing up to court.

[Mysterio]

how can they prove this? If it was an eye witness I am willing to bet it was an illegal bookmaker that sent the tip in and he aint showing up to court.

They can prove it because He had to pay the PPV fees to watch the fight. Which was billed to the address of a business, which is his, which ties it all to him. The company that is sueing him clearly owns rights to the and can look up who paid for it I'm sure. Cross check who paid for it personally vs. who paid the commercial viewing fee and see the big red X next to his name and bam.

[Vinny]

contact a fucking lawyer and ask them

[Vinny]

why take advice from people who aren't specialized?


WE GOT ANY COUNSEL OUT THERE?

[headiez]

contact a fucking lawyer and ask them

yes thanks bro, this was mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Smoove]

They can prove it because He had to pay the PPV fees to watch the fight. Which was billed to the address of a business, which is his, which ties it all to him. The company that is sueing him clearly owns rights to the and can look up who paid for it I'm sure. Cross check who paid for it personally vs. who paid the commercial viewing fee and see the big red X next to his name and bam.

Since when is it illegal to watch television on your office TV? unless he signed paperwork saying he will not have coincidental dates on his receipts?
Unless he already openly admitted to showing the fights ( recording / paperwork )

He can tell that company to fuck off.

And start renting the room above his bar and running his cable from the suite and not the establishment


Thats my pro bono for the day

[Mysterio]

Since when is it illegal to watch television on your office TV? unless he signed paperwork saying he will not have coincidental dates on his receipts?
Unless he already openly admitted to showing the fights ( recording / paperwork )

He can tell that company to fuck off.

And start renting the room above his bar and running his cable from the suite and not the establishment


Thats my pro bono for the day

I didn't say an office. He owns a bar which is a venue that can show sporting events for masses to see.

[c0ri]

card 50 lbs of beef jerkey to the law office and gg

[Smoove]

I didn't say an office. He owns a bar which is a venue that can show sporting events for masses to see.

I think your missing my point.

Since when is it illegal to watch television on your office TV? *WINK*

[unholy]

I didn't say an office. He owns a bar which is a venue that can show sporting events for masses to see.

Bars are allowed to show Pay Per View fights without paying? That's kind of like saying "I bought the album, so I can share it with 500 people free of charge."

That's not how businesses run.

[Mysterio]

Bars are allowed to show Pay Per View fights without paying? That's kind of like saying "I bought the album, so I can share it with 500 people free of charge."

That's not how businesses run.

That's exactly what I've been saying?

[d35i9n]

someone called the bar and asked and was told yes they will be showing it. Someone else came and secretly recorded the fight being played and wrote a sworn affidavit.

that's how they operate, i had a chance to get paid for leads doing this awhile back...but i didn't want to be a snitch.

[unholy]

That's exactly what I've been saying?

Oh, sorry. You're right !

[Smoove]

Bars are allowed to show Pay Per View fights without paying? That's kind of like saying "I bought the album, so I can share it with 500 people free of charge."

That's not how businesses run.

Woooooooow.


Does he have an office in his bar? a place for paperwork? possibly a desk, payroll etc. Does he like sports? does he have a television in his office? IS HIS OFFICE SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE BAR?
so that would mean he could watch television privately right?

i move to my original post saying unless he has openly admitted to showing the fights to his patrons ( PUBLICLY )

and i will re-quote myself with the giant wink.

warning the following sentence may include sarcasm, misdirection, and hinting towards a hidden meaning

Since when is it illegal to watch television on your office TV? ( insert *wink, Nudge here* )

allow me to explain.
If he ordered the fight to watch Privately in his office, because he is a huge fan and/or has to work. This is not a crime (unless like i stated before there is some form of contract saying he cant order ppv AT ALL at a pub or bar as an owner without paying rights.

allow me to break it down further.
IF he has responded to the allegations with an admission of guilt partially or wholly he is FUCKED. allegations are nothing unless paired with proof or an admission of guilt.

[d35i9n]

try reading what i just wrote two posts above...

[Mysterio]

Woooooooow.


Does he have an office in his bar? a place for paperwork? possibly a desk, payroll etc. Does he like sports? does he have a television in his office? IS HIS OFFICE SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE BAR?
so that would mean he could watch television privately right?

i move to my original post saying unless he has openly admitted to showing the fights to his patrons ( PUBLICLY )

and i will re-quote myself with the giant wink.

warning the following sentence may include sarcasm, misdirection, and hinting towards a hidden meaning



allow me to explain.
If he ordered the fight to watch Privately in his office, because he is a huge fan and/or has to work. This is not a crime (unless like i stated before there is some form of contract saying he cant order ppv AT ALL at a pub or bar as an owner without paying rights.

allow me to break it down further.
IF he has responded to the allegations with an admission of guilt partially or wholly he is FUCKED. allegations are nothing unless paired with proof or an admission of guilt.

I'm sure the only reason he is getting sued to begin with is because someone dimed him out or something along those lines. I can't imagine they're scanning through all the PPV sales looking for business addresses that didn't pay the commercial viewing fee. Although they may be who knows. IDK all the regulations but i'm sure they've got something against the loophole you're speaking of otherwise business would just idk open their office door in the back of the bar and put the TV in there showing the matches lol.

[Smoove]

try reading what i just wrote two posts above...

i was typing my wall of text when you responded.

Is your statement actual events that happened? or guessing?

[d35i9n]

im not guessing. i could of been paid per lead if i wanted to snitch bars out. this thomas p place has multiple private investigators who do work

[unholy]

Woooooooow.


Does he have an office in his bar? a place for paperwork? possibly a desk, payroll etc. Does he like sports? does he have a television in his office? IS HIS OFFICE SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF THE BAR?
so that would mean he could watch television privately right?

i move to my original post saying unless he has openly admitted to showing the fights to his patrons ( PUBLICLY )

and i will re-quote myself with the giant wink.

warning the following sentence may include sarcasm, misdirection, and hinting towards a hidden meaning



allow me to explain.
If he ordered the fight to watch Privately in his office, because he is a huge fan and/or has to work. This is not a crime (unless like i stated before there is some form of contract saying he cant order ppv AT ALL at a pub or bar as an owner without paying rights.

allow me to break it down further.
IF he has responded to the allegations with an admission of guilt partially or wholly he is FUCKED. allegations are nothing unless paired with proof or an admission of guilt.

Well, if you believe that this is enough evidence to shield your friend from being sued my a Sport Promoter who has a lot of money, go to court. If your defense is "he was watching it in his office", I suggest contacting them and find out what you can do to rectify the situation.

From what you are saying, to me, it sounds like your friend will have his ass handed to him. Tell your friend to contact a lawyer ASAP

[2fast]

im not guessing. i could of been paid per lead if i wanted to snitch bars out. this thomas p place has multiple private investigators who do work

how do you get paid per lead just curious? If they pay you like 1k that means this guy is fucked. If its $100 or something small means this guy dont got shit to worry about.