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[something random]

So the terms of my probation demand that I submit my DNA to be documented by the state.

I wasn't charged with rape or murder, what gives?

I guess the 4th Amendment is open for interpretation?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

And the fifth?

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

It's clearly reasonable to argue that the genetic makeup of one's person is indeed private property.

Next thing you know Zeitgeist will come true with Radio ID Chips and Gattaca-like totalitarianism run by the ever growing offices of our expanding, inefficient government.

The fundamentals behind the term "Innocent until proven guilty" are immediately abridged when DNA is stored on file. Not to mention that falsely incriminating evidence or planted DNA can result in the unfair treatment of otherwise law abiding citizens.

The DNA tester offers no information about the oversight, storage, or reasoning behind DNA collection. You simply swab your mouth and they mail it in, no questions allowed.

If information regarding oversight isn't available, how are we to know that our DNA will be protected from corruption and unauthorized eyes?

Fuck Big Brother, Gattaca, violations of person, judicial arrogance, and control through fear.

[josez]

lol constitution
constitution lol
convicts dont have rights. hell, some states take away our right to vote.

[ytcracker]

please read my good friend magus solution that he took to the supreme court

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_...NA_controversy

[anti]

hmmm good point

[something random]

I'm not willing to give any of my DNA. For the record they asked for a mouth swab not blood from me.

I don't feel that the state has any justification or necessity to have my DNA on file. I have one offense on my record that wasn't murder or rape, therefore DNA would not have helped in my case whatsoever.

[rob-beatz]

please read my good friend magus solution that he took to the supreme court

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_...NA_controversy

damn he got biblical on dat ass

[josez]

I'm not willing to give any of my DNA. For the record they asked for a mouth swab not blood from me.

I don't feel that the state has any justification or necessity to have my DNA on file. I have one offense on my record that wasn't murder or rape, therefore DNA would not have helped in my case whatsoever.

you're totally in the right, but the state hold a monoploy on power and authority. they have the backing of the judges, the police, the army, the prisons, etc. and since you were convicted or either plead guilty to a crime, they will argue that you gave up those rights or you dont deserve those rights.

[josez]

as a delinquent or deviant, they see you as dangerous, or potentially dangerous. you don't worship authority or mindlessly obey, or follow their rules, so you must be monitored.

[dbolm666]

well it must of been sumthing serious to want to have your dna...


and hey if you dont like them fucking with ya...well i guess stay outta trouble...lol

[something random]

they made no mention of this bullshit in the plea deal.

[seameat]

I didn't see this thread until just now, but I love it.

Duster, I agree with you totally. The whole DNA, genotyping, genetic discrimination idea is fascinating to me. I think genetic research is definitely where it's at for medical science, but currently there just aren't enough restrictions on what can and cannot be done with our DNA.

Personally, I would love to get my genome sequenced and have my genetic data be available to researchers under the condition of anonymity. Open source genomes. I love the idea from a scientific/medical perspective.

But until restrictions are placed on our government and specifically law enforcement, I am paranoid as fuck of exactly this kind of thing.

A+ post, for real, Duster. Legitimate issues itt.

[mhu]

The DNA tester offers no information about the oversight, storage, or reasoning behind DNA collection. You simply swab your mouth and they mail it in, no questions allowed.

If information regarding oversight isn't available, how are we to know that our DNA will be protected from corruption and unauthorized eyes?

That was the topic of my Senior Thesis 4 years ago. It is a very good question and one that has yet to be answered in an acceptable way.